As a follow up to my post Man dies during visit by bailiff I came across this post on the Liberal Conspiracy site.
It prompted me to make a comment, then to decide that it should be a follow up on the Tao of Blog.
My comment:
This is another example of a corrupt democracy, or a shamocracy as it is becoming, run by the egomaniacal and criminally insane, using the devices of the law to fleece the very last out of its people.
Both the Nazis (a right-wing socialist organisation if memory serves) and the Communists did the same, when money runs tight, wring out the poor or even redefine them as the sub-human, to ease the collective conscience and make it easier to utilise them as a resource rather than a drain.
One could draw similar comparisons to the recent changes in the transplant regulations with presumed consent.
Sally's comment, I am sure this sort of crap has come from some American right wing think tank. may have merit when you consider how many internees’s from American Christian Fundamentalist groups ZaNuLabour had working for them in their early years.
But Halloway's,
“We’re in a police state already.”
No we are not. The police had nothing to do with this case as far as I understand it. How long before we get a ‘1984 was a warning not a handbook’ type comment???
all depends on how you interpret the phrase 'police state'.
From the perspective of Jean Charles de Menezes family, and those who witnessed his execution by what they described as 'out of control men', and the direction of the coroner to not allow a verdict of unlawful killing to be brought could certainly fall into the area of an unaccountable police force, able to do what it likes and escape any form of retribution.
If police state seems to be inaccurate for some please supply a phrase would be a more accurate definition.
Habeas Corpus
This is truly shocking and what makes it even worse is the lack of mainstream media coverage events like this receive, as for comments on whether we are living on a police state there are certainly elements of one in this country at the moment. But my biggest fear on this front is not the present but the future, regardless of the actual motives of the current government at the very least they lack foresight in as such that they have essentially set up the legislature on which a police state can be created i.e. ability to imprison without trial.
The mainstream media has long been co-opted into the establishment with security handlers and the politically ambitious so its objectivity is questionable at best, complicit at the worst.
Hence the rise of the internet pundit, something that governments worldwide are already planning to combat by legislation, regulation, myth and rumour and the legal framework for being denied the right to be tried by one's peers is well underway so one can envisage that imprisonment without trial would be not inconceivable.
Shatterface
The government timed the privatisation of the police perfectly: with more and more people out of work and amassing debt the state needs a police force unencumbered by public oversight.
It’s not only debtors who have to worry: Liverpool’s L1 shopping precinct isn’t the only one in the UK where PUBLIC STREETS are now policed by a PRIVATE POLICE FORCE.
The correct term for Labour is ‘Corporatist’: a malevolent partnership of authoritarian state oppression and free market economics.
It’s a more successful variation on what Pinochet attempted.
Corporatist is a very accurate word to describe this government but I found it more interesting that Pinochet was brought up and remembered that in the October of 1998 the former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet, the only country in Latin America not to support Argentina in the Falkland Islands Conflict, was arrested at the request of Spanish judges, seeking to extradite him to face charges related to more than 4000 political killings alleged to have taken place in Chile. He was in the UK to undergo surgery.
Home Secretary Jack Straw ordered he was too ill to extradite and allowed him to return to Chile.
Nice to have friends in high places isn’t it?
Alisdair Cameron’s comment sums up very well our current predicament - but we have entered a dark period indeed: New Labour have ‘legitimised’ the use of force, surveillance, and intrusive powers upon the whole citizenry (excepting the ‘great and the good’,naturellement) by a whole host of agencies: councils, bailiffs, security guards sundry contractors etc.
But all of this goes beyond what we have been conditioned to perceive as a right or a left wing argument. They are both attached to the same beast and to try and define whether the jackboot on your neck belongs to a socialist or a fascist or a bailiff seems a bit of a moot point when you’re fighting for your breath.
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It prompted me to make a comment, then to decide that it should be a follow up on the Tao of Blog.
My comment:
This is another example of a corrupt democracy, or a shamocracy as it is becoming, run by the egomaniacal and criminally insane, using the devices of the law to fleece the very last out of its people.
Both the Nazis (a right-wing socialist organisation if memory serves) and the Communists did the same, when money runs tight, wring out the poor or even redefine them as the sub-human, to ease the collective conscience and make it easier to utilise them as a resource rather than a drain.
One could draw similar comparisons to the recent changes in the transplant regulations with presumed consent.
Sally's comment, I am sure this sort of crap has come from some American right wing think tank. may have merit when you consider how many internees’s from American Christian Fundamentalist groups ZaNuLabour had working for them in their early years.
But Halloway's,
“We’re in a police state already.”
No we are not. The police had nothing to do with this case as far as I understand it. How long before we get a ‘1984 was a warning not a handbook’ type comment???
all depends on how you interpret the phrase 'police state'.
From the perspective of Jean Charles de Menezes family, and those who witnessed his execution by what they described as 'out of control men', and the direction of the coroner to not allow a verdict of unlawful killing to be brought could certainly fall into the area of an unaccountable police force, able to do what it likes and escape any form of retribution.
If police state seems to be inaccurate for some please supply a phrase would be a more accurate definition.
Habeas Corpus
This is truly shocking and what makes it even worse is the lack of mainstream media coverage events like this receive, as for comments on whether we are living on a police state there are certainly elements of one in this country at the moment. But my biggest fear on this front is not the present but the future, regardless of the actual motives of the current government at the very least they lack foresight in as such that they have essentially set up the legislature on which a police state can be created i.e. ability to imprison without trial.
The mainstream media has long been co-opted into the establishment with security handlers and the politically ambitious so its objectivity is questionable at best, complicit at the worst.
Hence the rise of the internet pundit, something that governments worldwide are already planning to combat by legislation, regulation, myth and rumour and the legal framework for being denied the right to be tried by one's peers is well underway so one can envisage that imprisonment without trial would be not inconceivable.
Shatterface
The government timed the privatisation of the police perfectly: with more and more people out of work and amassing debt the state needs a police force unencumbered by public oversight.
It’s not only debtors who have to worry: Liverpool’s L1 shopping precinct isn’t the only one in the UK where PUBLIC STREETS are now policed by a PRIVATE POLICE FORCE.
The correct term for Labour is ‘Corporatist’: a malevolent partnership of authoritarian state oppression and free market economics.
It’s a more successful variation on what Pinochet attempted.
Corporatist is a very accurate word to describe this government but I found it more interesting that Pinochet was brought up and remembered that in the October of 1998 the former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet, the only country in Latin America not to support Argentina in the Falkland Islands Conflict, was arrested at the request of Spanish judges, seeking to extradite him to face charges related to more than 4000 political killings alleged to have taken place in Chile. He was in the UK to undergo surgery.
Home Secretary Jack Straw ordered he was too ill to extradite and allowed him to return to Chile.
Nice to have friends in high places isn’t it?
Alisdair Cameron’s comment sums up very well our current predicament - but we have entered a dark period indeed: New Labour have ‘legitimised’ the use of force, surveillance, and intrusive powers upon the whole citizenry (excepting the ‘great and the good’,naturellement) by a whole host of agencies: councils, bailiffs, security guards sundry contractors etc.
But all of this goes beyond what we have been conditioned to perceive as a right or a left wing argument. They are both attached to the same beast and to try and define whether the jackboot on your neck belongs to a socialist or a fascist or a bailiff seems a bit of a moot point when you’re fighting for your breath.
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